SPEAKER_01 1:03

Welcome to Wine, Wisdom, and What Now. I am your host, Yolanda Holliday, and I thank you for joining me. If this is your first time here, welcome. I am so excited you have decided to spend a little time with us today. This is the podcast for us by us, everyday lived experiences of black women over 40. And if you are returning, welcome back. I appreciate the support. From the bottom of my heart, I am thankful for you. Today, before we pour, I want to talk about weight management and the peri menopause. Why is it so easy to gain the weight? But it is an act of Congress to lose the weight. I have gained 10 pounds in the last 60 days. That is a lot of weight to gain in such a short period of time. My knees are crying. I'm just not fitting into my clothes like I want to. I'm not happy about it. Some people call it happy weight. I'm not giving it that title because I'm not happy at all. So I'm giving myself the next 60 days to get back on track, to stay consistent, to be intentional about what I'm feeding my body, intentional about getting out and moving, and intentional about staying focused, getting that beast perymenopause off my back because she will not win. I am in this. I want to live a healthy life, not a skinny life, a healthy life. I want my knees to be happy, not hurting and aching all the time. Therefore, I'm dedicating the next 60 days to lose these 10 pounds. It took me 60 days to gain them, so now I'm gonna take 60 days to lose them. If you are in this journey and you are experiencing some of the same things, let's encourage and motivate each other. Drop a comment, send me an email, I got you this. I will motivate you, I will be your accountability partner. Let's get this beast perimetopause in check. Now that we've discussed that, let's get into our pouring. Today's pairing is the estate-grown Petite Sarah from Theopolis Vineyards, a black-owned winery founded by Theodora Lee in California. And I thought this wine was such a good fit for today's conversation because it's bold, layered, and has some depth to it, which feels pretty appropriate for a conversation about transformation, rebuilding, and becoming. This petit series has flavors of blueberry, bacon spice, and vanilla with aromas of dark cherry, licorice, leather, and pepper. It's a full-of-bodied wine, so if you like a bowl red, this may be one to try. For food, pair it with something that can stand up to it: barbecue ribs, smoked brisket, a good steak, a hearty stew, or even some dark chocolate. But what I really love about this pairing is the reminder that our lives can have layers too. What we've been through becomes part of our story, but it doesn't have to determine what comes next. So you're so pour yourself a glass, sis, because today we're talking about transformation and giving ourselves permission to keep becoming. And on that note, cheers, sis. Today's guest, Tamara Clark, is a transformation speaker, coach, executive leader, mother of four, and founder of Transform Within. After navigating young motherhood, financial hardship, divorce, career transitions, and rebuilding her life, Tamara learned that transformation isn't about erasing the past. It's about deciding the past doesn't get to write the rest of your story. Today, she helps others move beyond survival mode, rediscover who they are, and give themselves permission to choose what comes next. Her message is simple: your story isn't over. You're still becoming.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

Welcome. Thank you. Thank you. I'm excited, and I really appreciate you inviting me.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Thank you. I'm appreciating you for joining me. I know it's gonna be an exciting conversation. I'm looking forward to it. And as always, I'm gonna kick it off by asking, what season are you currently navigating?

SPEAKER_00 5:52

Hmm, so I like to say I'm in a hybrid season right now. I am enjoying being at the same time of becoming. I call it a good little mixture. I've gotten to the point to where I'm living. However, I'm growing at the same time and developing certain things. I am in a current space where I'm dabbling into my purpose. And that's the part of becoming into the being. I say I'm being because I'm very comfortable where I am, and we're gonna talk about projection and all of those things that I had to endure to get where I am, but I'm loving where I am, where the becoming part is enjoyable, right? That's exciting. That's exciting. Yeah, and I'm happy to even just say that out loud, right?

SPEAKER_01 6:46

Right, and it's something you don't often hear. I'm loving the being while becoming, because a lot of times we're so busy thinking about the becoming that we don't appreciate the current seasons.

SPEAKER_00 6:58

Yes, and I think that comes into getting into knowing and accepting who you are as an individual, right? So I'm accepting who I am, my flaws, everything that got me where I am, my past. It's all there. I'm very transparent and it's all on my shoulder, but it's not weighted on my shoulder, right? It's just a shared story.

SPEAKER_01 7:23

Right, right. And I I can appreciate that season because I find myself I'm currently there. I'm still becoming, but I'm very happy where I am right now. For me, that took a long journey of healing to get to this place. What was your journey like? Have you always been this way?

SPEAKER_00 7:42

And or what was your journey like to get here? So, no, I was always not this way at all. And it was a journey for me. Like you mentioned in my bio, I had my children pretty young. So, my first two, I was 18, 19, I had my second set, so I had two sets. I had my second set in my mid-20s. However, I learned as I went along by being a young mother, multiple baby daddies, I had to just figure certain things out. And I think during that transition, because of all of the things that I had done, it looked upon as if I wasn't doing things right. So, me trying to figure it out at the same time of just taking care of my children, trying to provide, I also had projection right on my back, right? Everybody trying to tell me what I need to do, how to do it, when to do it, how to raise my kids, what job I need to get, what I don't need to be doing. And I lived that whole season for probably about a good 20 years, just trying to make it right for others as opposed to trying to make it right for me. So that whole journey of trying to figure it out wasn't really trying to figure it out, right? I was trying to be someone that someone thought I should be because of situations that I put myself into. It was the shame, it was the disappointment and all of that. Once I think about it, it's like, well, was it my shame or was it other people's shame? But regardless of what that was, I wore it. And I wore it for a long time until one day I just realized a lot of the seasons that I endured wasn't even mine's, right? Those mistakes that I was making wasn't because I couldn't do it on my own. It was because I was trying to be somebody else on somebody else's time. And of course I can't get it right if I'm trying to be somebody else. So about the time I got to 40, I figured that part out. And once I was able to say, okay, everybody else, what you say I'm supposed to do, is not working. So I need to see what I can do for myself, and let's see if that works. And once I did that, it worked. Everything worked.

SPEAKER_01 10:19

That is courageous because our lives are so parallel. You're my kindred sister over there because our mother trying to do all the right things, and I don't think people realize, especially older generations, realize that what you want may not be what that person wants, and you should not be putting so much on them because they already carry enough. And I think that's why I'm more intentional. I have a daughter, I'm more intentional not putting into her, you should be doing this. Maybe if I don't agree, it's not for me to agree, but let's just discuss it. I'm not going to tell you what you should be doing. You're doing it wrong. Maybe I can understand it better and I can find a way to support you in what you're doing instead of trying to move you to where I think you should be.

SPEAKER_00 11:06

Yeah, yeah. I have young men now, so they're a little bit different because young ladies they communicate a lot more than young men do. So it's more for me, it's I am a great advisor. And I am never gonna tell you what to do, but I can definitely tell you what don't work. You can hear me out or you don't, and then you can figure it out on your own. But I'm a great advisor. I can tell you if that path is not necessarily gonna work out, and they figure it out, and half the time they'll come back, maybe and say, Hey mom, you told me it wasn't gonna work. Yeah, I told you, but how you feeling now?

SPEAKER_01 12:44

And some things you really do have to experience yourself. I always say if I kill you, you're gonna get the lesson out of it. Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:50

Oh, most we did, right? We did.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

We still get to talk about it. Go through our seasons and live in this season right now, so I know you're gonna be able to bounce back.

SPEAKER_00 13:01

Yeah, most definitely, most definitely.

SPEAKER_01 13:03

Okay. Your season of contentment and happiness now in your journey to becoming, do they ever collide with each other? Do you ever stumble to where you get so comfortable in where you are now that sometimes the vision gets a little blurry, or vice versa, you're so focused on where you're going that sometimes you get a little anxious in the season?

SPEAKER_00 13:28

I'm at the second one, right? I'm so focused on where I'm going, I am getting a little anxious. However, I think right now I got a good little balance. And I'm just gonna credit to all the mistakes and all the things that happened in my past. I'm able to really identify certain things. So I know where I'm trying to go, where I want to go, and I really try to make sure I balance it. However, it doesn't work out because I think I'm more into those sleepless nights, to where those things that I'm really passionate about, I'm waking up in the morning or mid-night thoughts. Yes, yes. So I think I'm there to where it's like, okay, you need to rest and calm down a bit. And you said you were gonna enjoy certain things, so enjoy it. And I try to do that. However, I do have a habit of being an early riser. So sometimes I credit being an early riser, but then I discredit it too, because sometimes I get about a good six to seven hours sleep, maybe eight most of the time. However, at times it's like just rest a bit. You can give yourself a couple of more hours, but I think my mind and the habit of getting up at four just won't allow me to do so. So I've been that hit the ground type of running type of girl. So I have been able to take that first 30 minutes and just not do anything, even though my foot is on the floor. I do go downstairs, take a moment, have coffee, sit there for a minute, and give myself that time before I pounce onto the world. So I think I'm working on it, Yolanda. I haven't gotten there yet.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

So I appreciate it. When my feet, the the floor, I'm running.

SPEAKER_00 15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

I haven't gotten the stillness of the morning because I think when you're a creative thinker, when you are an entrepreneur with an entrepreneurial spirit, when you have goals that are exciting you, you just want to get going. You're excited to wake up to get to them. So you just jump right in. But I can appreciate, and I said to myself the other morning, you literally go from wake to doing all the things. I don't drink coffee, but I can say I love watching the sunrise. I love reading. I need to get to the point where I'm actually taking a moment and just being, just appreciating the first couple of minutes of the day, and I'm not there.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

So yeah, and it's take some time. You have to, you you it's it's baby steps, and and I I totally get it because that's where I was. But I think at at a point, I read this book and I'm trying to think of the author, but it's called Mindset. I'll tell you the author later. The book is really good and it tells you that you actually have to, in order for your mind to be productive, you have to have that first little peace moment. And once you have that peace moment, everything that you're moving towards doesn't seem like it's, you know, one of those monopoly effects, right? Even though we enjoy doing it, it's more to where it's playing chess as opposed to that domino effect. And you give yourself that in the morning and you give yourself that in the evening, even if it's ten minutes, just five, ten minutes before you actually put your head on the pillow, just sit there. And even if you don't have nothing to say to yourself, just sit there like you're looking crazy and then go to bed. I'm telling you, Yelanda, try that five, yes, five minutes. Give yourself five minutes and just sit there. And at the time I'll sit there and because I have a couch right in front of my bed. So I'll sit there and I'll take my clothes off or my shoes off or whatever, and I'll sit there for a moment and then I'll go to bed. But that's like my transition to being nonstop, shower, sit there and have that moment.

SPEAKER_01 17:51

I do end my night, not by working. I end my night, I take a shower, and then I'm on TikTok until I fall asleep. And I know that. I mean, that's the best way to end my night because I'm literally there until the phone starts falling. So I was like, Yeah, yeah, yeah. That might not end the I love my TikTok, so that's the only time of the day I'm really on it. So then take 10 minutes, put the phone down, and just reflect before going to sleep.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

And people say you're supposed to take the social media out of your life for a certain period of time. But if it's bringing you some type of laughter or some joy or it doesn't give you that anxiety, it's different to me.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

Right, right. And that's what I was just recently telling someone. Everything isn't for everyone. I know they say you should take a social media break every now and then. I'm not on it as much that I need a break. And it is actually a stress reliever for me. I don't have it where it's a bunch of toxicity on my page. I'm laughing, I'm learning, I'm growing, I'm enjoying, I'm finding great people like you. It is an asset to me. So I'm not giving it up. Yeah. Don't. Don't. I immediately knew that you had the type of personality that I would be drawn to. You're open, you're transparent, you are honest, you are the type of person that I believe any woman would want to sit down and get to know. And we've learned a lot about the season that you're in, and we've learned a lot about your journey to get to that season. But if you had to speak to a group of women and say who you are to your core, how would you describe yourself?

SPEAKER_00 19:28

That's a really good question. Who I am to my core, I am a woman who thrives on speaking to other women who have been in situations similar to myself or not even similar. However, I think for so long I felt alone, even though my situation is not uncommon. I felt like it was, right? And I think I thrive on being around or surrounding myself with like-minded women, but also women who feel stuck. I am very, very passionate on just being a presence to someone to know that regardless of your circumstance or situation, it is not who you are, and it is not your identity. The woman that I am today can proudly say that regardless of what the norm may be, I'm not. And I'm okay not being that. And I want to be sure that other women are okay with not being that too, because we are not perfect, we are not that individual that society has placed on us to be, what our ancestors may have taught us to be, and I want to make sure that every human being or woman that goes through the life know that you have a place, you have a place out here, regardless of if it's being a person that is not in the corporate setting, if it's a person that's doing art, or it's a person that's being a construction worker, a plumber, or someone who is a caretaker or who loves to clean. Regardless of what you like to be or want to do, do it. And I want to be that type of individual that can come into a room and just regardless of who I am and what you see, I want you to be comfortable with knowing that you can be you too. And you got a place out here too. And I find it interesting that we all grow grew up to where we have to do certain things. You have to have a certain level of this to achieve or be this type of individual. And the weight and impact that it can put on you, I think is unbearable. And that's where you have women and men going through depression, going through that moment of life where they're feeling unworthy. And I'm that woman who want everyone to be whoever they're supposed to be and be okay with it, and not feel that they don't have a place. I think that's the space that I'm trying to create, regardless of where I am or who I talk to or who I be. I am that woman to where I think sometimes when people see me, they might think something different until I open my mouth or until they sit with me for a minute. I will say I'm known to not have a smile or in the beginning until I start conversing. However, I think I'm like a cracked nut, right? Everything seems to be so hard, and then once you crack me, I'm delicious, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

That that is um powerful, and I think that a lot of people, especially women, carry their past that they have healed. From so creates the insecurities of where they haven't found the courage to come out and be themselves. You only get one life as my motto. And I have not always been this way where I am going to live out loud. I am going to do the things that bring me joy. And to get here, it was a journey. And not everyone knows where to begin in that journey. They feel like it's so complicated. It's a roadmap. They see other people doing it, other people living it. And it's a, but that's not me. I don't have the strength. I don't have the help. I don't have the resources. And really, it is something within you. You have to go with it to dig that out because we all have it. I was that mother that was 15 with my first child, 18 with my second, told I was not going to do anything but be on welfare limit in the projects. For me, that's all it took because I'm going to quickly show you that you were wrong. So that was my drive. But for others, you have to find your drive. Maybe that's not it, but you have to find your drive because you deserve it. And I think that's similar as you, that's my motivation to do things that I do. When I came out of my season, I want this for all of us. I feel like we all deserve it. We all have it in us. We all can get to this place. It just requires a little bit of reflection. Letting it go right down. If you can't do it in a therapist's office, if you can't do it with your friend, you might have to do it alone. You might have to call up someone that you trust in a safe space that might be in a coaching program. Maybe in some type of cohort. You just have to fight for yourself the way you fight for everyone else.

SPEAKER_00 25:23

And when you said that we had kindred spirit, I was like, I know we do, but you said a couple of things. Same, because when you acknowledge black. Like, whoa. I am that individual that if you say you can't or you're going to be X, Y, and Z, that's sitting right at the top of my head because that is my motivation. I love Nay Sayers. I love to be the underdog. I love if you say I cannot, because that is like a fuel to my fire. I am definitely going to, especially in this season, with us being told that you can't or you won't, or you, because of these things that you've done in your past, there's no way you're gonna be able to. I think now, especially now in my life, it's like, oh, okay, you said what? Yeah, pull my glass. Okay. Note it. Right. Definitely note it. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_01 26:33

So for the women who feel that they don't have it in them to become, they don't have it in them to be to come out of whatever that situation is, to come out of that depression, to come out of the I can't get in, I don't have it, I don't deserve it season. What advice do you give them for even just getting started in the journey?

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Yeah. I think the hardest thing is being alone. And I think sometimes when you come out of that, you have to be alone. You have to have that quiet moment just so you can hear yourself, just so you can understand certain things about yourself, just so you can say certain things about how you feel. But even though you say it out loud or writing it down, you have to be able to receive it. And sometimes the noise is that barrier where you can't get to it. You have to find a moment where you gotta be by yourself just to hear. You gotta hear that buried person that you basically buried. Because I really don't feel that a person becomes something new. You just finding that original. And the original person is buried under all of that, all the projection, under all the situations, under all the circumstances, and the only way that you can just shovel all of that out is you doing the work, but you've got to do it by yourself. You can't necessarily do it with others. You could have a great support system. I have a great support system. My sisters have been there since day one. And regardless of their support, I know they will take a shovel and dig it out for me. It still is not gonna work. I gotta do that work. I gotta take that shovel. I gotta pull it all out. I gotta meet all those dirty demons and everything else head on. And I think most of the time you don't get there because of fear, because of all of those things that you're just uncomfortable with. And I like to tell people, you gotta get comfortable with being uncomfortable for a little bit. And that part of being uncomfortable will get you back to being uncomfortable. But I guarantee you, if you take that moment and look at yourself and acknowledge all the things that you've done, because you gotta acknowledge some of the things that you've done, regardless of what people projected on you. You still gotta say, hey, I made those decisions, I'm the one that did this, I'm the one that listened to so and so, or I'm the one that actually did it. Now, why I did it, okay, I did it. I'm gonna have to forgive myself, I'm gonna have to accept it. And then at the end of the day, I'm the one that's gonna have to walk through it. And we all like people to hold our hands and walk us through it, and that's great, but if you walk through that thing by yourself, nine times out of ten, you ain't walking back, you ain't going back because you've done the work all on yourself, you unlayered all those things on your own, and then you find a different type of peace within yourself, you find that different type of comfort to where you can do certain things, you can drink your wine by yourself, you can have that movie or dinner by yourself, you can do all the things all on your own, and companionship is great. However, you're okay if you have to do certain things by yourself, and you probably prefer it after a while. However, everything is an added layer after that. And I just encourage any woman, any man to take that moment to just be by themselves and look at certain things that they may not want to look at and accept certain things that they may not want to accept and let it go.

SPEAKER_01 31:05

You said a whole word there, and I think the one thing I would add to that, at least for my journey, was in that alone time, I never knew who I was because I was always doing and trying to make everyone else happy that I never knew who I was. So in that season, I had to learn me. I had to get to know me. So I needed to be alone just to do that. And I've never had where I didn't love myself, I just didn't know myself. I didn't know what I truly loved. I loved whatever you put in front of me, or I loved what was shining in the moment, but I didn't really know me to my core. I didn't know how to express my needs and my desire. And so when you do meet someone, or you are dating, or you are in that relationship, you now can come to the table as a whole deal person because you know what you require and you're not just accepting whatever they give you.

SPEAKER_00 32:01

Oh my goodness, yes. And you're not relying on anything else, right? You can walk through there through the doors and be able to just be present without not being have a self-doubt. You can just be there in the moment and appreciate that. And I think people see that, right? People see that when you walk through the door. They know, okay, I'm dealing with a whole person here. That's confidence, exudes.

SPEAKER_01 32:29

Oh yes. Oh, yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:31

I'm dealing with the whole. I most definitely, most definitely.

unknown 32:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 32:37

Your season of becoming, what does that look like? So my season of becoming is grabbing onto everything I intended to have to grab onto. So I'm very intentional, and I'm very unapologetic. Um, and I know that's I hear it a lot, but seriously, I'm intentional with my steps. I'm unapologetic because who I am is who I am, and my becoming is in the direction where I am positive of where I'm going. I am not unsure. I am not uncertain. I am certain that over here is where I'm to be. I just have to keep moving forward. So my becoming is, like I said, is part of the being, and I am enjoying the steps, and it's I know I am in that direction because I have people such as yourself approaching me. And I feel as if if you're not in that space that you're where you say you want to be, those people are not gonna approach you. They can't find thank you. They can't. So thank you, Yolanda. You just confirmed. You're welcome.

SPEAKER_01 34:08

You are welcome, and you have a cheerleader because all of the things that you want, I am here genuinely rooting for you because I believe that people can be going in the same direction, but that doesn't mean that there can't be collaborative efforts, genuine support. There doesn't have to be all of this backfighting and all this other stuff you hear because what's for you is going to be for you, and I want all of that to come to you.

SPEAKER_00 34:36

Yes, yes, yes. And I'm gonna keep saying it because we do have that kindred spirit. It's to where it's I am the type of woman to where I surround myself with women who are supportive, who do not have a problem at all with sharing whatever that they have as far as information, resources, and etc. I surround myself with individuals who are like-minded, and I gravitate to those individuals. So it's just comforting to know that when you are being and becoming and you're in that purpose-driven motion, everything falls in place. It's just accepting who you are, accepting who you are to be, and being clear that this is who I'm created to be. This is me, and everything else is just gonna fall in place. I don't have to perpetrate, falsify, or act as if I need to do whatever it is to become. I'm just becoming who I'm supposed to be. I just need to be acceptive, receptive, and keep doing what I'm supposed to be doing. And feel good with it, right? I think when you start doing certain things that is outside of who you are, your inner being automatically just it's like an alarm. Like, wait a minute, what you doing? Like this is not your direction. And although you might want to because it looks good, and other people, because another thing about when you're in that being and becoming season, you're gonna get all kinds of people, right? You're gonna get leashes, you're gonna get other individuals that gravitate to you outside of who your circle is to be, I think, but you have that discernment at this point to where but you okay with saying, okay. This is not heat.

SPEAKER_01 36:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 36:54

My um I tell people all the time, I am pistol Pete with my nose, and I'm okay with telling you that's not gonna work for me. Thank you, but no, thank you. And I keep moving, and I think that's the part of being who you are and being comfortable with who you are becoming when you are ready to say no, when you're ready to just be okay with being rejected on certain things because we're not gonna get everything that we want to have. However, I take rejections to where it's now. It's like, okay, maybe I'm not supposed to have.

unknown 37:31

Right?

SPEAKER_00 37:32

It's okay. I'm gonna keep going, even though I thought I was supposed to have this thing over here, but okay, okay. Today's not the day. I'm gonna trust the process. Exactly. I'm gonna trust the process.

SPEAKER_01 37:46

Okay, all right. I knew this was gonna be a great conversation, I had no doubt about it. And it actually exceeded my expectations. Is there anything you want to share or leave with the ladies who are listening in?

SPEAKER_00 38:02

I think our conversation was very genuine, and I think anything that I could add is wherever state of mind that you're in, I wish you a simple notion or a simple heart of peace. I hope you within this 30, 40 minutes of Yolanda and I conversing, you heard something that gave you an answer to maybe a question, maybe an answer to a doubt, possibly just feeling um apart or feeling that you're not alone. I am going to leave with you aren't alone. I think Yolanda and I both have had a past that is common, and women such as ourselves have found a place to where, regardless of our past situations, we have made a footprint to the today. We are proof that having children at a young age can be challenging. However, we have made it to a point where we can share our story and let you know that regardless of the interim, you have a possibility to get where you're supposed to be. So do not allow anyone else to make you feel less than, stop shrinking, and be comfortable with whatever situation or whatever decisions you made. Sit with it, learn from it, grow from it. Because the only way you're gonna get to where you're supposed to be is if you do learn from it and you let that go. And when you let it go, you leave it where it is. You can take it with you as far as being a story for others, but it doesn't define you. And follow us. We're out here on the social media platform sharing our stories, and I wish you all the best and all the luck into your endeavors and to your new future because it's yours, so go ahead and grab it.

SPEAKER_01 40:36

A whole word. You need a public, you need a stage, a flex. Your message needs to be heard because it is so motivating for someone who may not be there and don't know how to get there. It really is your transparency. I appreciate your transparency, you're sharing with us, just your energy, just everything that you give into this. I appreciate it. I thank you.

SPEAKER_00 41:02

Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate you. I will say I did water it down for you just about two notches because I probably would have threw about four or five cuss words, but it was like today, ain't uh, you know, uh I'll you like girl, why you didn't I bomb it?

SPEAKER_01 41:18

No, I because around here, exclamation point and okay. Well, next time that's what that means. The unboarded person. This has been fun. I appreciate you. Leave us with your social media handles. I'll also make sure it's in the description. But how do people find you?

SPEAKER_00 41:40

So you can find me on TikTok, Transform with Tam. I'm also on Instagram, TransformWithTam, Tamara Clark on Facebook. And next month I will be starting my first YouTube, and that was also Transform With Tam.

SPEAKER_01 42:00

Excited for everything that is happening. We're claiming it in advance that all you want will be yours. And again, I thank you for joining me.

SPEAKER_00 42:09

I appreciate you, Yolanda. Thank you. It was fun. Look forward to the next time. There will be a next time, definitely.

SPEAKER_01 42:20

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